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Caellach Marellus
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Posted - 2012.01.19 11:41:00 -
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There's a great big flaw here in comparing PIE with D-Ston, and I'm surprised no one has yet pointed this out.
I'm disappointed to see such rash action from PIE once again, this recent spate of behaviour is in the petty levels I would normally be glad to see them be above. |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:12:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Arkady Sadik wrote:"PIE Inc. has so far failed to present any credible proof that the people they took went with them voluntarily."
I don't recall you heathens bringing the same accusations against the Disciples of Ston for their "voluntary" relocations?
No but PIE did, and by this action they're rather hypocritical.
But here's something everyone seems to have missed. The Disciples are a neutral organisation, PIE are not. |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:20:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:
But here's something everyone seems to have missed. The Disciples are a neutral organisation, PIE are not.
Claiming to be neutral is not the same as being neutral.
Do you have proof of this? |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:29:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:
But here's something everyone seems to have missed. The Disciples are a neutral organisation, PIE are not.
Claiming to be neutral is not the same as being neutral. Do you have proof of this? Edit: Silas Vitalia wrote:Nonsense. Either of you? Neutral: Adjective - Not helping or supporting either of two opposing sides, esp. countries at war; impartial. Removing slaves from Imperial territory by questionable methodology is by definition supporting those opposed to slavery.
Do you have proof as to the location of their Matriculation centres to suggest they are outside of Imperial space?
I should also note by your default reasoning your own allies oppose slavery too. |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:31:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:
But here's something everyone seems to have missed. The Disciples are a neutral organisation, PIE are not.
Claiming to be neutral is not the same as being neutral. Do you have proof of this? Their actions have led to them being supported by anti-Amarrian forces, and opposed by pro-Amarrian forces. It's hard to see how this would have happened had they truly been neutral. But enough of the Disciples - they already have quite a few threads of their own, and this one is nothing to do with them.
Nonsense, this is you throwing your toys out of the pram on a rash action in a case of "Well they do it, so can we!"
You can't pick and choose your fans Admiral. You could create a drink brand that the Amarrian Empire simply couldn't get enough of, yet the taste of it isn't popular in the Republic, does that mean your drink is pro Amarrian? No, they're just the ones who like it. |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:40:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:
I should also note by your default reasoning your own allies oppose slavery too.
Elaborate
Ever tried transporting slaves in Caldari space? |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:18:00 -
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Vallek Arkonnis wrote:
This lies at the feet of the TLF, no one else. Even your conscience knows "My CO made me do it" doesn't absolve you.
If PIE Inc hadn't put lives at careless risk this wouldn't have happened period, I believe someone pointed out earlier that they have the potential to utilise far better forms of logistics than this. Furthermore as someone pointed out, Interbus could have been contracted to carry this out.
Blame is not one sided, either way you look at it. But the end is a tragic loss of 150 lives, I agree with Captain Doyle on her sentiments. |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:50:00 -
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Vallek Arkonnis wrote:650 lives, actually.
I stand corrected, I've slept and drunk since I last saw the report logs.
Quote:Still no explanation for the destruction of the Sigil. What was careless was the lack of target discrimination. I don't care if it was being piloted by the Empress' Royal Guard, if they honestly thought the Sigil was carrying abductees then they should've held their fire, yet they didn't. They can't afford to quibble about what they're shooting at.
I'm presuming the pilots knew exactly what was on board when they opened fire, in which case it's a confusing scenario for me too. Especially when they could have kept the Sigil in containment and forced it to release it's passengers.
Had they not known, then it's merely another logistics operation in a war zone. But I've yet to see anyone deny knowledge of the Sigil's cargo before they opened fire.
Still not sure who's bright idea it was to use a bloody Sigil though, and further more to not at least give it a travel fit to give it a chance to avoid conflicts.
Infact after looking at it once again, the Sigil was fit to offer repair support and E-War for the fleet, so not only was it used to transport civilians but was designed to be used as an active combat ship. This is purely reckless and irresponsible and shows little regard for the safety of the people on board the ship.
In short, while no one is 100% to blame for the situation, there's no innocent party either. Save for the unfortunate 650 lost in a tragic way. |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
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Posted - 2012.01.21 01:22:00 -
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Astrid Stjerna wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:
But I've yet to see anyone deny knowledge of the Sigil's cargo before they opened fire.
Quoted from my CO: ' And they wouldn't have been there if you hadn't taken them. We had no knowledge of them being on board until after your fleets destruction. However, had you left them where they were, they would have been safer. Not 'safe', because they are living in an occupied system. But 'safer' than they were [i]in space. Where people shoot each other.'
That should clarify matters somewhat.
Much appreciated. |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
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Posted - 2012.01.21 15:49:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:I am not sure if your corporation and fellow members deserve to get associated to that kind of messages - the ones that precisely make the IGS the cesspool it often is.
While it is certainly not the most diplomatic and curt of responses, it does make a change to see someone on here speak their mind and say exactly what they mean without clever worded ambiguity. |
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Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
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Posted - 2012.01.21 16:05:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:Lyn Farel wrote:I am not sure if your corporation and fellow members deserve to get associated to that kind of messages - the ones that precisely make the IGS the cesspool it often is. While it is certainly not the most diplomatic and curt of responses, it does make a change to see someone on here speak their mind and say exactly what they mean without clever worded ambiguity. This is the only thing I see everywhere, especially coming from emo-minmatars. I prefer ten times clever and reasonable answers, even if biased, like Mr Sadik usually does, than meaningless emotive answers that lead to nowhere, except maybe on more hatred.
I rarely see people express their point to a level of blunt honesty, I find that it's more likely they'll take sniping cheap shots back and forth instead of coming out and being blunt honest. Even the ones that are trying to pass it off as being polite and reasonable aren't above subtle digs.
Personally I think posting under the influence of alcohol isn't the greatest idea on here, but it offers a level of sincerity without room for confusion that has an admirable trait to it.
Now only if people could be reasonable and blunt honest at the same time. That said topics like this are always going to lead to a rise in temper, not everyone can stay as calm and rational as others. |
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